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Robert Lloyd
(Father of Horatio Lloyd, Grandfather of Arthur Lloyd)

 

Robert Lloyd was born on the 20th of March 1778 in Salop, Oswestry, Shropshire, England. His parents were Edward Lloyd and Elizabeth Lewis, who were married in 1770, also in Oswestry, Shropshire. Robert was the fifth of six children and, according to his son Horatio Lloyd, (the respected and much loved actor and comedian), in his autobiography, due to some family misunderstanding Robert ran away from a home when a mere lad and, 'Finding his way to London, he there got into business, and there settled down until retiring for good and all to Chertsy.'

Robert would later marry Elizabeth Gill whose family were all in the Navy. Her sister, Jane Gill, was the wife of Charles Jeffreys, whose career as a Navy Captain and Author is well documented. He was the Captain of the Kangaroo which carried prisoners to Van Diemen's Land in 1814, and later the Captain of the Saracen which arrived in Hobart Town, Van Diemen's Land on the 24th of April 1820. Robert Lloyd's Son George Lloyd was also on board the Saracen for this journey and went on to write 'Thirty Three Years in Tasmania and Victoria, which was published in 1862.

The Strand, looking West - Robert Lloyd's Hatters Shop at No. 71 is far to the left.

Above - The Strand, looking West - Robert Lloyd's Hatters Shop at No. 71 is far to the left.
Robert's son
Horatio Lloyd (Arthur Lloyd's father) was born here in 1807.

The trade which Robert Lloyd went into however was that of a Hatter. His father Edward Lloyd was a Corvisor, and his Grandfather James Lloyd had been a Glover and Corvisor, (A Corvisor was a Shoemaker, using Red leather from Spain), so although slightly different trades this may be where he got his talent for Hat Making.

Details of the Eccentric Club from 'The History of Clubs and Club Life' by John Timbs and published in 1872 - Courtesy Imants von Wenden, Secretary of The Eccentric Club (UK).Robert lived in, and traded from, premises at No. 71 The Strand, London, (see image above) where his son Horatio Lloyd would later be born on the 9th of November 1807.

But Robert Lloyd was more than just a hat maker. He was also well known in his day as a keen appreciator of philosophy, a writer, inventor and a member of clubs and societies, including London's famous 'Eccentric Club.' He was eventually entrusted with the books of the Eccentric Club when it was removed from its then home in the May's Building in St. Martin's Lane. The May's building would later be converted for use as a booking office for the Grand Tier, and Balcony of the London Coliseum.

Right - Details of the Eccentric Club from 'The History of Clubs and Club Life' by John Timbs and published in 1872 - Courtesy Imants von Wenden, Secretary of The Eccentric Club (UK).

When Robert eventually retired the records of the Eccentric Club are thought to have passed to another member in Liverpool and the surviving records state that by then Robert was no longer an active member of the club.

If you know anything about the whereabouts of these original and now lost records please don't hesitate to contact Imants von Wenden at The Eccentric Club (UK).

 

The Strand in 2003 - The new building on the right stands roughly on the site of the Tivoli Theatre, and also on the site of 71 The Strand where Robert Lloyd's Hatters Shop was situated, and also where his son Horatio Lloyd (Arthur Lloyd's Father) was born in 1807.

Above - The Strand in 2003 - The new building on the right stands roughly on the site of the Tivoli Theatre, and also on the site of 71 The Strand where Robert Lloyd's Hatters Shop was situated, and also where his son Horatio Lloyd (Arthur Lloyd's Father) was born in 1807.

One of the engravings from Robert Lloyd's 'Treatise on Hats' which is of a hat called 'The New Dash.'Robert Lloyd appears to have been a very successful Hatter and was the author of a number of published books on the subject including several editions called 'Lloyd's Treatise on Hats' first published in 1819. This is described as 'containing novel delineations of his various shapes, shewing the manner in which they should be worn, the sort of face and person best suited to each particular hat, and rules for their preservation. Two copies of the Third edition which was published in 1821, and included 24 engravings, can be found at the British Library.

Left - One of the engravings from Robert Lloyd's 'Treatise on Hats' which is of a hat called 'The New Dash.'

On Sunday June the 29th 1823 an advertisement appeared in 'Bell's Life in London and Sporting Chronicle,' stating: 'Lloyd's New Invented Double Covered Beaver Hats in 1000 different shapes and sizes, completely Water-proof, Oval, and of the most admirable beauty and texture; price only 27s. decidedly the best that ever were, or can be, manufactured, and will positively last longer than two sold under this price. For style durability, and comfort in wearing they are unrivaled. To be had only of the manufacturers R. and H. Lloyd, 71, Strand, and 92, Newgate Street, Inventors of Fashions to the whole Trade. No discount or Credit. N. B. Silk Hats particularly short and thick of nap, only 18s, warranted Waterproof. All letters to be post paid.'

Lloyd's New Invented Double Covered Beaver Hats in 1000 different shapes and sizes - Courtesy Imants von Wenden, Secretary of The Eccentric Club (UK).

This advertisement is interesting in two ways, one because it mentions R. and H. Lloyd, the R. Lloyd is obviously Robert, but the only H. Lloyd in the family at that time was his son Horatio who would have been a young man of just 16. Was Robert trying to involve his son in his profession? If he was then he was to be disappointed as Horatio was soon to join the acting profession instead. The other reason the advertisement is interesting is that it mentions the pair had another shop at 92, Newgate Street which I have since discovered mention of in several publications. In 1794 there was a Hosier named Thomas Gubbins occupying the shop. In 1808 a Glover named John Briginsham occupied the premises. In 1811 there was a James Starton at 92 Newgate Street, who was a cutler. By 1822 the Records of the Sun Fire Office have the property insured for a William Ellerby of Ave Maria Lane who was a wholesale sheffield warehouseman, but the property itself was occupied by Robert Lloyd, Hatter. By 1833 a Frederick Sandon, a Druggist, occupied the property so it seems that Robert only had the property for a maximum of 10 years.

Anyway, a few years later in 1830, Robert had another book on Hat Making published called : 'Dissertatio Castorum, Or Prosaic and Versified Delineations of the Style, Character, and Properties of Lloyd's Incomparable Beaver Hats: Shewing the Manner in which They Should be Worn, the Sort of Face and Person Best Suited to Each Particular Shape, and the Many Rare Virtues'

Robert Lloyd's Patent as a Hat MakerRobert also filed a number of successful Patents concerned with his hat making. Patents in those days were published in a great many Journals and Magazines to get the widest exposure, one of these publications was the 'Monthly Magazine' who published the following Patent on the 18th of April 1826 which read: 'To James Rowbotham, of Blackfriars, and Robert Lloyd of No. 71, Strand, Middlesex, for preparing a certain material, for the purpose of being made into hats, caps, bonnets, cloaks, coats, trowsers, and for wearing apparel in general, and various other purposes.'

Two years earlier, in 1824, the same pair had been granted a Patent for their 'Hat upon a new Construction.' Again this was published in a great many places, one of which was the 'Journal of the Franklin Institute' whose article about it can be seen below.


ENGLISH PATENTS

To ROBERT LLOYD, Hatter, and JAMES ROWBOTHAM, Hat Manufacturer, for a Hat upon a new Construction. Dated February 19, 1824.

Robert Lloyd's Hat upon a new ConstructionI, THE said Robert Lloyd, do hereby declare, that the nature of the said invention, and in what manner the same is to be performed, are particularly described and ascertained in the following description thereof, (that is to say: — )

The plan or construction of Lloyd and Rowbotham's hats, which is entirely new and their own sole invention, and for which they have obtained his majesty's letters patent, is as follows: —

First, this hat is made, or will be made or manufactured, either wholly or by mixtures of hair, wool, silk, cotton, fur, leather, flax, hemp, straw, or any other materials or material not prohibited by law, nor protected by any patent right vested in other persons; they will also be made from silk, or cotton velvet, superfine or other woollen or linen cloths. Second, the peculiar construction of this hat, and wherein it differs from all hitherto manufactured, is, that the crown is made to rise and fall, so as to assume different heights, and the way it is done, is, that one part of the crown is made to retire, fold, or shut within the other, by which operation the middle part of the crown is wholly taken up, retiring within itself, somewhat like a telescope: thus it is, that the same hat may be worn as a high crown or a low crown, and in the latter case the folding or spare part is taken up, so as to be completely out of sight; it is this peculiar way of folding, which is entirely new, that the patentees, Lloyd and Rowbotham, claim as their invention. Third, although the materials with which these hats are or may be made, will generally be put together or manufactured in the usual manner of hat making, there is one way or method which the patentees have adopted, and which they believe never has been done by any other person, viz. instead of making the body of the hat, or the hat altogether in one piece, they have done, and will, for greater facility, cut out two or more flat pieces of felted cloth, woven cloth, woven fur or furs, or any other material or substance, and sew or join them together; in or from which state, the said joined pieces may be strained or blocked to the shape wanted. Fourth, for the purpose of raising and lowering, or folding and supporting the crowns of Lloyd and Rowbotham's new invented hats, they will use the various apparatus herein described and numbered, 1, 2, 3, and 4, viz. No. 1, or diamond jointed prop: this is made of metal, bone, or wood, and (see margin) the centre or extremes of each diamond, by working on a pin or pivot, is capable of being drawn out to any given length, and again shut up or Robert Lloyd's Hat upon a new Constructioncompressed into a smaller compass or space, so as to allow the crown of the hat to rise and fall, from its greatest to its lesser height.' Those diamond joints will be fixed inside the crown of the hat, to prop or support the same, and to each hat will be attached one, two, or more, as may be required; although it is intended, that every prop on this plan shall have three diamond joints, yet a lesser or a greater number may be used; one end of this prop will be fastened to the top of the crown, inside, and the other end at or near the band.

No. 2, or corkscrew joint, is a piece of metal wire, bone, or wood, (see margin,) bent, so that the two ends meet; between those ends is placed a small roller, of metal or hard substance, with teeth, or indented: this roller is placed between the ends of the bent wire by a pin, so that it may work round, and the teeth or indenture act as stops, to keep it in the situation required, the whole acting upon the principle of a corkscrew, to each end of which is fastened a small piece of wire or other hard substance, and may be called arms, one end of which will be attached to the inside of the crown, at the top, and the other end near the band. Of these joints there will be one or more to each hat, and the roller joint will allow the crown to be put up or down as wanted.

No. 3, or hoop, is a hoop of a metal or other hard substance, to which is fixed two or more metal wires, wood, or bone uprights; the hoop to be nearest the top of the crown, and passing through several eyes or loops; and the other ends of the uprights to be fastened near the band of the hat. At each end of those uprights will be a moving joint and swivel, so that each will have two distinct motions with this apparatus, fixed inside the hat; the crown, on being pressed down, forces the hoop to slide partly round through the eyes or loops, until the crown is pressed down to the depth wanted, the uprights falling also, and one over the other; but when the crown is wanted to be raised, the uprights or props assume a perpendicular state, when a small spring hasp in the hoop will keep the crown from falling down.

Robert Lloyd's Hat upon a new ConstructionNo. 4, or telescope sliding joint. This joint or prop is made of metal, bone, wood, or any other hard substance, in the following manner: two or several pieces are made with sliding grooves, so that one joint or piece may be pulled out over the other to any given length, and each joint will fasten with a snap, spring, or catch; one, two, or more of these being fixed inside the hat, and fastened to the top and bottom of the crown, will allow it to be compressed and raised as required. There are many other methods by which these hats may be supported and worked up and down, and of which the patentees mean to avail themselves; such, for instance, as a spiral spring or springs; one or more straight pieces of metal, bone, or wood, to take out and fix in as required, without or with, joints or springs, to allow of the crown of the hat being raised or shut down at pleasure or for convenience. The patentees, for the support and folding of these hats, mean also to use two or more pieces of wire, bone, or wood, placed in a transverse direction, so that one-half being made to pass through or turn within the other, will force the crown up and let it down as required, for convenience, or as fancy may direct: in short, this hat is to be folded down and raised in the crown by means of a spring or springs, prop or props, made of bone, wood, steel, iron, brass, or other metal or metals, which are to work or turn on a pivot or pivots, hinge or hinges, sliding groove or grooves, pin or pins, screw or screws, joint or joints.

We are at a loss to discover any utility, or even any thing rational, in this description of a "hat on a new construction:" — if, indeed, among the other variations of fashion, we were condemned to wear our hats a yard or two in length, and to encumber our heads with a few pounds of metal springs, this valuable invention might obtain some repute: it was probably in anticipation of such an event that Messrs. Lloyd and Rowbotham obtained their patent. We should have refrained from publishing this specification, had we not had several inquiries respecting the nature of the patents obtained by Mr. Lloyd ; the former is inserted in our 8th vol. p. 660, present series.

 

As you can see from the above publication, the Franklin Institute were not that impressed with this patent but I doubt it did Robert any harm. Another publication, The Register of the Arts and Science, in 1825 was more impressed saying: 'MR. Robert Lloyd, of the Strand, in "conjunction with Mr. James Rowbotham, of Blackfriars Road, have taken out a patent for a hat upon a new construction. The object of the invention seems to be to supercede the necessity of the dress or cocked hats in crowded assemblies, being made like them to fold up and wear under the arm. For this purpose they are constructed on the principle of the telescope; that is to say, they are composed of a series of short cylinders which slide one within another, and thus enables the wearers to contract or expand them at pleasure. This property likewise is found to be of advantage in wearing them in a carriage, as the height of the crown may be accommodated to the roof of the vehicle. The means by which the patentees propose to give a hat these desirable qualities are various, but none of them are very clearly explained in the Specification.'

Despite the mixed reviews for this invention, in 1827 Robert was presented with a Silver Medal for his new invention of 'Sheet Cork,' here published in the 'Transactions of the Society Instituted at London for the Encouragement of Arts, Manufactures, and Commerce,' By Royal Society of Arts (Great Britain)

Robert Lloyd's SHEET CORK. PAPERS

MANUFACTURES.

No. I.
SHEET CORK.

The SILVER Isis MEDAL was presented to Mr. R. LLOYD,
71, Strand, for his Sheet Cork; Samples of which have
been placed in the Society's Repository.

THE only use to which sheet cork has hitherto been applied by Mr. Lloyd is in his business, which is that of a hat manufacturer, for the purpose of giving to hats their requisite shape and stiffness. There are, however, several other uses to which cork is applied, such as for the internal sole of shoes, and for lining the drawers and boxes of entomological cabinets. For these, and other similar purposes, Mr. Lloyd's sheet cork, which is very compact, even, and may be had almost of any thickness, down to the thirty-second of an inch, is excellently adapted .

The cork, in its raw state, is first brought to a smooth surface by shaving and rasping; it then is pressed between hot plates ; and, finally, is subjected to the action of a strong press for a day or two. By this process the cork becomes more compact and even, and is then ready to be split. The instrument employed for this latter purpose is similar to that used for splitting skins, with the addition of a flat carriage, by which the cork is brought under the action of the knife.

 

I have yet to discover when Robert retired, and when he and his wife left their shop and home at 71, The Strand but if he retired at 65 then it would have been in 1843 which ties in nicely with the 1851 Census which states that Robert was by then living in Surrey, England. This was probably in Chertsy, which his son Horatio mentions in his autobiography.

The following decade, at the time of the 1861 Census, Robert and his wife were said to have been living at 46 Milton Street, Gravesend, and his occupation is stated as being a retired Hat Maker. It also mentions that by then he was deaf.

So far I haven't found out when Robert died but he would have been 83 at the time of the 1861 Census, so he certainly had a long and productive life. He and his wife had seven children, one of whom was Horatio Lloyd, the respected and much loved actor and comedian, and father of the celebrated Music Hall artiste Arthur Lloyd, and another was George Lloyd who would go on to write the book 'Thirty Three Years in Tasmania and Victoria.

There's one more interesting thing to say about Robert Lloyd's career and that is that he seems also to have been published under the pseudonym of Jonathan Castor at least once. If you have any more information on this I would be pleased to hear from you.

This brief biography of Robert Lloyd was first compiled in 2008 by Matthew Lloyd, Robert's GGG Grandson and the creator of this Website. I am indebted to Imants von Wenden, Secretary of The Eccentric Club (UK), for much of the information on this page about Robert Lloyd. If you have any information about the lost records of the club or would just like to find out more about it you should visit the Website of the Eccentric Club here..